[OpenSIPS-Users] [Fwd: [Serdev] the sip router project]

Brett Nemeroff brett at nemeroff.com
Thu Nov 6 16:35:45 CET 2008

Adrian,We deal with it fine. But I don't have a good idea of which project
to devote my attention to anymore. Neither do my clients. It's not a big
deal, but some amount of confidence in the project has been lost.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Adrian Georgescu <ag at ag-projects.com> wrote:

> Brett,
> You should only worry only when you see that no new code is being committed
> or no end-users are supported or is silence on the mailing list. When that
> happens that definitely is a bad sign, the project either stagnated or there
> is no market demand anymore.
> Until that moment for all of us involved is business as usual as your have
> seen in the last 5 years or so. If you plot a graph you will see that every
> year this discussion happens and no end users are really suffering from it.
> So learn to live with it as we all do and tell your customers that is
> business as usual.
> Adrian
> On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Brett Nemeroff wrote:
> All,I'm probably well out of line commenting on any of this. However, I
> thought it might be worthwhile for you to have some opinions of users, like
> me, who are not involved in the politics but are genuinely interested in
> using the product.
> I've been using some flavor of SER for the last 5 or 6 years now. I love
> the product. It's always been great. It's well documented and it "just plain
> works". I started with SER when that was all there was. Then the needed to
> use the LCR module caused me to jump the OpenSER (as it seemed OpenSER was a
> bit more progressive). The latest fork caused me, and my clients to wonder
> "What the heck is going on?", and "Which project do we use now?". It
> certainly took a huge hit in confidence.
> As a user, I can't answer the question of which product to use. I don't
> really know the difference between the two (especially since it's so easy to
> switch between one and the other). The latest addition of the drouting
> module makes me want to stick with opensips. Besides that, I don't have any
> good reason to be with one or the other. I hope that doesn't offend anyone.
> Seriously tho. We as users are confused. Sure, I'm trying to read and keep
> up with all of these emails. What do I think? Does it matter? I think you
> guys are all brilliant and I tend to think if you put your heads together,
> you'll most definitely come up with something better than individual
> projects. As is the nature of any project consisting of more than
> one intelligent being, there will ALWAYS be dissension amongst peers.
> Especially since you are all so bright. I think a fork is necessary if the
> products are going to eventually become two separate products. However, if
> it's the same product, and there is a disagreement between methodologies,
> then I'd recommend that you form a technical advisory board consisting of
> Users AND Developers which will provide an impartial vote on the direction.
> This is a very common method of formulating technical direction in many
> start up organizations. The loyalties to individual developers is ridiculous
> and will hurt the product. The loyalty should be to the end product and the
> the clients using the product.
> Now that being said, I'd like to disclaim it by saying "I don't know what
> the heck I'm talking about". And that I respect all of you and that I love
> what you've come up with. Please, for our sakes, find a way to work
> together.
> -Brett
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