[OpenSIPS-Users] [Fwd: [Serdev] the sip router project]

Adrian Georgescu ag at ag-projects.com
Thu Nov 6 16:39:03 CET 2008

This is easy. Just count the number of useful commits for the  
functionality used by your customers and go for that one.


On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Brett Nemeroff wrote:

> Adrian,
> We deal with it fine. But I don't have a good idea of which project  
> to devote my attention to anymore. Neither do my clients. It's not a  
> big deal, but some amount of confidence in the project has been lost.
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Adrian Georgescu <ag at ag- 
> projects.com> wrote:
> Brett,
> You should only worry only when you see that no new code is being  
> committed or no end-users are supported or is silence on the mailing  
> list. When that happens that definitely is a bad sign, the project  
> either stagnated or there is no market demand anymore.
> Until that moment for all of us involved is business as usual as  
> your have seen in the last 5 years or so. If you plot a graph you  
> will see that every year this discussion happens and no end users  
> are really suffering from it.
> So learn to live with it as we all do and tell your customers that  
> is business as usual.
> Adrian
> On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Brett Nemeroff wrote:
>> All,
>> I'm probably well out of line commenting on any of this. However, I  
>> thought it might be worthwhile for you to have some opinions of  
>> users, like me, who are not involved in the politics but are  
>> genuinely interested in using the product.
>> I've been using some flavor of SER for the last 5 or 6 years now. I  
>> love the product. It's always been great. It's well documented and  
>> it "just plain works". I started with SER when that was all there  
>> was. Then the needed to use the LCR module caused me to jump the  
>> OpenSER (as it seemed OpenSER was a bit more progressive). The  
>> latest fork caused me, and my clients to wonder "What the heck is  
>> going on?", and "Which project do we use now?". It certainly took a  
>> huge hit in confidence.
>> As a user, I can't answer the question of which product to use. I  
>> don't really know the difference between the two (especially since  
>> it's so easy to switch between one and the other). The latest  
>> addition of the drouting module makes me want to stick with  
>> opensips. Besides that, I don't have any good reason to be with one  
>> or the other. I hope that doesn't offend anyone.
>> Seriously tho. We as users are confused. Sure, I'm trying to read  
>> and keep up with all of these emails. What do I think? Does it  
>> matter? I think you guys are all brilliant and I tend to think if  
>> you put your heads together, you'll most definitely come up with  
>> something better than individual projects. As is the nature of any  
>> project consisting of more than one intelligent being, there will  
>> ALWAYS be dissension amongst peers. Especially since you are all so  
>> bright. I think a fork is necessary if the products are going to  
>> eventually become two separate products. However, if it's the same  
>> product, and there is a disagreement between methodologies, then  
>> I'd recommend that you form a technical advisory board consisting  
>> of Users AND Developers which will provide an impartial vote on the  
>> direction. This is a very common method of formulating technical  
>> direction in many start up organizations. The loyalties to  
>> individual developers is ridiculous and will hurt the product. The  
>> loyalty should be to the end product and the the clients using the  
>> product.
>> Now that being said, I'd like to disclaim it by saying "I don't  
>> know what the heck I'm talking about". And that I respect all of  
>> you and that I love what you've come up with. Please, for our  
>> sakes, find a way to work together.
>> -Brett

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