[OpenSIPS-Users] [Fwd: [Serdev] the sip router project]

Brett Nemeroff brett at nemeroff.com
Thu Nov 6 16:22:47 CET 2008

All,I'm probably well out of line commenting on any of this. However, I
thought it might be worthwhile for you to have some opinions of users, like
me, who are not involved in the politics but are genuinely interested in
using the product.

I've been using some flavor of SER for the last 5 or 6 years now. I love the
product. It's always been great. It's well documented and it "just plain
works". I started with SER when that was all there was. Then the needed to
use the LCR module caused me to jump the OpenSER (as it seemed OpenSER was a
bit more progressive). The latest fork caused me, and my clients to wonder
"What the heck is going on?", and "Which project do we use now?". It
certainly took a huge hit in confidence.

As a user, I can't answer the question of which product to use. I don't
really know the difference between the two (especially since it's so easy to
switch between one and the other). The latest addition of the drouting
module makes me want to stick with opensips. Besides that, I don't have any
good reason to be with one or the other. I hope that doesn't offend anyone.

Seriously tho. We as users are confused. Sure, I'm trying to read and keep
up with all of these emails. What do I think? Does it matter? I think you
guys are all brilliant and I tend to think if you put your heads together,
you'll most definitely come up with something better than individual
projects. As is the nature of any project consisting of more than
one intelligent being, there will ALWAYS be dissension amongst peers.
Especially since you are all so bright. I think a fork is necessary if the
products are going to eventually become two separate products. However, if
it's the same product, and there is a disagreement between methodologies,
then I'd recommend that you form a technical advisory board consisting of
Users AND Developers which will provide an impartial vote on the direction.
This is a very common method of formulating technical direction in many
start up organizations. The loyalties to individual developers is ridiculous
and will hurt the product. The loyalty should be to the end product and the
the clients using the product.

Now that being said, I'd like to disclaim it by saying "I don't know what
the heck I'm talking about". And that I respect all of you and that I love
what you've come up with. Please, for our sakes, find a way to work

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Bogdan-Andrei Iancu
<bogdan at voice-system.ro>wrote:

> I will simply ignore this email as I find it extremely rude and
> completely disconnected from reality.
> Only a single note: there is no bitterness and negativism - only keeping
> my feet on the ground and looking further the glorious words and
> political movements. Simply being realistic.
> Let's say I have inside information as you come with the same proposal
> to me (to merge opensips into ser) and based on this I have my own
> understanding of the reasons and of the goals of this un-forking.
> Unfortunately everything is pure politics and survival.
> Bogdan
> Jiri Kuthan wrote:
> > Hi Bogdan,
> >
> > first of all, I find particular bitterness and negativism in your email
> > -- I sincerely hope you will find that actually this project is aimed
> > very positively, and will find your ways to contribute to its success.
> >
> >
> > Of course that's not invitation just to you, but to anyone seriosly
> > contributing to SER (and all of its variants). I think we have had
> > enough forking confusion and we better spend time on developing SER
> > as opposed to balkanizing it.
> >
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